Comments on: Ministry Divas http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/ Innovation | Technology | Social Justice Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:24:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: gregatkinson http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/comment-page-1/#comment-63772 gregatkinson Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:07:29 +0000 http://www.gregatkinson.com/?p=1935#comment-63772 Thanks for commenting, Anne. I always appreciate your insight and perspective. I agree that most pastors aren't running their ad department, but some weigh in a little more than others. I think the thing that Phil Cooke and I struggle with is the pastors with private jets - those don't seem to sit well with me. I fly a ton and American Airlines is just fine with me. Ed Stetzer flies somewhere everyday and he's fine with traditional travel arrangements. That's the main thing I really take issue with. Thanks for commenting, Anne. I always appreciate your insight and perspective. I agree that most pastors aren't running their ad department, but some weigh in a little more than others.

I think the thing that Phil Cooke and I struggle with is the pastors with private jets – those don't seem to sit well with me. I fly a ton and American Airlines is just fine with me. Ed Stetzer flies somewhere everyday and he's fine with traditional travel arrangements. That's the main thing I really take issue with.

]]> By: anne jackson http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/comment-page-1/#comment-63695 anne jackson Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:35:13 +0000 http://www.gregatkinson.com/?p=1935#comment-63695 You know i love playing a little devil's advocate :) so...with that in mind. 1) how does anyone know? i think the worship part of things is just as much in the heart and doesn't have to happen in a seat in an auditorium. 2) this happens to several pastors i know. when you have guys jumping over the fence to your house, it makes sense to try and be safe. 3) god has gifted and equipped these people to serve and they love it. what's wrong with that? 5) i have been hosted by several churches and i don't ever ask to be put in the front, but they do it as an honor to host others. it's not a big deal. 10) you and i both know that it's not the pastor running the ad department...usually. :) just a few nuggets to chew on....generalities are never completely accurate. :) You know i love playing a little devil's advocate :) so…with that in mind.

1) how does anyone know? i think the worship part of things is just as much in the heart and doesn't have to happen in a seat in an auditorium.

2) this happens to several pastors i know. when you have guys jumping over the fence to your house, it makes sense to try and be safe.

3) god has gifted and equipped these people to serve and they love it. what's wrong with that?

5) i have been hosted by several churches and i don't ever ask to be put in the front, but they do it as an honor to host others. it's not a big deal.

10) you and i both know that it's not the pastor running the ad department…usually. :)

just a few nuggets to chew on….generalities are never completely accurate. :)

]]> By: gregatkinson http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/comment-page-1/#comment-63640 gregatkinson Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:24:36 +0000 http://www.gregatkinson.com/?p=1935#comment-63640 True, Jason, true. I've heard that said as well. True, Jason, true. I've heard that said as well.

]]> By: Jason Rowland http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/comment-page-1/#comment-63639 Jason Rowland Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:09:27 +0000 http://www.gregatkinson.com/?p=1935#comment-63639 I would add the following: 'The most widely used scripture in the church Psalm 105:15 about not touching God's anointed." This scripture is used to slap folks in the face when you disagree with any decision with leadership especially if the decisions are unscriptural. I would add the following:
'The most widely used scripture in the church Psalm 105:15 about not touching God's anointed."

This scripture is used to slap folks in the face when you disagree with any decision with leadership especially if the decisions are unscriptural.

]]> By: gregatkinson http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/comment-page-1/#comment-63637 gregatkinson Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:29:03 +0000 http://www.gregatkinson.com/?p=1935#comment-63637 Thanks, Trae. Thanks, Trae.

]]> By: gregatkinson http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/comment-page-1/#comment-63636 gregatkinson Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:28:15 +0000 http://www.gregatkinson.com/?p=1935#comment-63636 Very true. Once these signs appear the church is pretty much stuck with their diva. Thanks, Joe. Very true. Once these signs appear the church is pretty much stuck with their diva. Thanks, Joe.

]]> By: traeblain http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/comment-page-1/#comment-63632 traeblain Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:05:25 +0000 http://www.gregatkinson.com/?p=1935#comment-63632 I agree with Joe as by the time these indicators show up the church is most likely not going to be able to stop it. It's a great subject that very few people seem to want to talk about... I'd also add that the person's book emphasizes the author and not content: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=Joel%20Osteen&index=blended" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=Joel...</a> I agree with Joe as by the time these indicators show up the church is most likely not going to be able to stop it. It's a great subject that very few people seem to want to talk about…

I'd also add that the person's book emphasizes the author and not content:
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=Joel...

]]> By: traeblain http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/comment-page-1/#comment-63633 traeblain Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:05:25 +0000 http://www.gregatkinson.com/?p=1935#comment-63633 I agree with Joe as by the time these indicators show up the church is most likely not going to be able to stop it. It's a great subject that very few people seem to want to talk about... I'd also add that the person's book emphasizes the author and not content: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=Joel%20Osteen&index=blended" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=Joel...</a> I agree with Joe as by the time these indicators show up the church is most likely not going to be able to stop it. It's a great subject that very few people seem to want to talk about…

I'd also add that the person's book emphasizes the author and not content:
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=Joel...

]]> By: JoeSlaughter http://www.gregatkinson.com/2009/07/09/ministry-divas/comment-page-1/#comment-63631 JoeSlaughter Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:57:08 +0000 http://www.gregatkinson.com/?p=1935#comment-63631 Excellent comments Greg. I think these are "lagging" indicators. The "diva" attitude started & developed before - now, these indicators are just showing up. If someone is at this point, the church probably can't afford to get rid of them because of the "draw" that their personality brings to the church. Huge subject you have opened here. Excellent comments Greg. I think these are "lagging" indicators. The "diva" attitude started & developed before – now, these indicators are just showing up. If someone is at this point, the church probably can't afford to get rid of them because of the "draw" that their personality brings to the church. Huge subject you have opened here.

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